I had the opportunity to talk with one in every of music’s most influential figures, Todd Rundgren.
Todd is a real pioneer of DIY. He’s among the many first to document, produce and play all of the instruments on his albums.
He’s also teamed up with numerous bands all through the years, including The Nazz, Utopia, The New Automobiles and Ringo Starr and his All Starr Band. Chances are you’ll know Todd from hits like “Hello It’s Me” or “I Saw The Light,” but he’s also famous for “Bang On The Drum All Day”.
Rundgren is a continually altering artist. No two albums sound quite the same, he’s not afraid to progress. Even being on the forefront of know-how is par-for-the-course with Todd!
In 1992, he had the primary ever commercially obtainable downloadable music by way of CompuServe. He then pioneered a subscription platform (suspiciously just like Patreon…. sure, shade) referred to as Patronet. It allowed followers to bypass the CD makers and business middle-men and get content material instantly from Todd for a subscription payment of $40 per yr.
He is additionally some of the respected producers in music, having labored on albums for Badfinger, The New York Dolls, Grand Funk Railroad, The Tubes, The Band, Hall and Oates, MeatLoaf, Patti Smith, XTC and lots of extra.
There was means an excessive amount of to go over in 20 minutes, but I did my greatest with the time allotted. Here is what we discussed (full transcription under).
Noah Itman: Wonderful. Nicely Todd, thank you a lot for taking the time to talk with me; it’s actually an honor to have you ever on the road.
Todd Rundgren: Oh, thank you a lot.
NI: Wonderful. So I needed to talk to you just about all the sides in your career inside 20 minutes, so I’m going to attempt to cram rather a lot in there.
TR: No drawback.
NI: So from The Nazz to now, you’ve reached so many various elements of music. And I really feel as though the number of albums you’ve created has been extraordinarily numerous. So I’m curious, what has been type of like the catalyst for change? What has allowed you to be such a shape shifter inside music?
TR: Nicely, it’s a part of what I grew up with. The Beatles have been, properly they have been more than like a musical inspiration; that they had a type issue that didn’t actually exist before. I imply, there have been all the time guys that [had] put bands collectively, however there was no kind of success [to] where The Beatles defined it. So that was the excuse to get into music in the first place, simply discover three or 4 other buddies within the neighborhood, you type a band. And that meant that me, a man who wasn’t too handsome, and too ahead, I might be in a band. And once you turned a Beatles fan, you realized that they didn’t keep nonetheless, they only stored evolving, and altering. So I assumed that’s what you have been purported to do; in order that’s what I did.
NI: Nicely, I feel it turned out to be a incredible path. And with The Beatles in mind, the first time that I truly acquired to see you was at a Beatles tribute in Minnesota where I lived, you have been doing a tribute with Ann Wilson, John Entwistle, and Alan Parsons. I’m questioning what that have was like, to be able to do a canopy present for a band that influenced you so tremendously.
TR: Properly I mean, that was loads of fun, however more significantly I assume was enjoying with Ringo, and truly enjoying with a Beatle; versus simply enjoying Beatles material. And I assume via that, I also obtained — attending to know Ringo, you kind of get — you take in lots of history. It’s not like you sit down and grill him, but through the years, he tells you little anecdotes and stories about what The Beatles went by way of. So it’s as for those who have been a short lived Beatle, your self.
NI: Wow, what a feeling.
TR: I do know. It’s a must to sort of — it’s something it’s a must to kind of get over, in case you’re going to play with Ringo; you’ll be able to’t be in fixed awe of the truth that he was on the planet’s most influential band.
NI: Yeah, absolutely. I can see that being a hurdle myself. I also needed to talk a bit bit about your intersections with The Beatles by way of production, specifically with Badfinger Straight Up. So within that album, it’s all the time been a favorite of mine, notably your versions of songs. And one all the time stood out to me that I used to be interested in, and that’s with the music “Suitcase.” I find the version from your production, versus George Harrison’s manufacturing, to be so wildly totally different that I’m questioning if it was the same tracks that have been initially used, or if it’s utterly re-recorded.
TR: Some things have been re-recorded. Once I obtained there, that they had — truly, they have been halfway by way of a second version of a document. In order that they did an entire album with Jeff Enric, and from what I understand, Apple America didn’t really feel like there was a single on it. That’s once they went again and began working with George Harrison. However then George acquired distracted by the concert for Bangladesh. So he dropped out of the challenge, after which primarily simply left it to me to tie together no matter there was from the first two recording tasks. And then no matter else I did new. So once I first obtained there, we began recording material that had been written within the interim; that had not been out there for the primary two tasks. And then once we obtained by way of these, went back and evaluated each the Jeff Enric periods, and the George Harrison periods, and then pulled out what I assumed would match. Even the George Harrison stuff had overdubs and remixes accomplished to make it sound less like Phil Spector, which is what George — what all of his data seemed like in these days, like 5 acoustic guitar players, and the drums, like within the soup, approach back, and plenty of reverb and stuff. So I kind of undid that, trying to find a sound that wound unify all three units of periods.
NI: Nicely, it did really end up fantastically; it’s considered one of my favorite albums. So shifting ahead to, I needed to ask about A Cappellaa little bit. So inside A Cappella, there’s — I feel like that’s a very distinctive album, in and of itself, just for the recording methodology that you simply used. Was there — so I do know that you simply already mentioned that The Beatles have been a serious affect for allowing you to be so — simply altering, in an evolving approach. However with A Cappellaspecifically, was there a sure second in time that spurred that influence?
TR: I don’t know that there was a specific moment.
I had in my head lots of totally different potential tasks that I needed to attempt; I imply even at one point, I needed to do an album that was primarily all marching band.
TR: But I never acquired to that. I might nonetheless get to it, I suppose. However primarily, I had in my head the potential of doing an album that was primarily all vocally based mostly. And it just seemed like, to me, the time to do it, principally due to sampler know-how. By then, I had a sampler, and I might like put vocal sounds into it, and primarily play it like a keyboard. So it might have been a much more kind of typical sounding acapella document if all I did was sing, however I did loads of processing of vocals, and vocal sounds, and putting them into a sampler, and enjoying them with the sampler and that type of factor. So I feel that know-how did, sarcastically sufficient, have a hand in the Acappellaalbum, when it comes to making it attainable.
NI: So I’m glad that you simply talked about know-how, as a result of I feel as though know-how has been one thing that you simply’re all the time on the forefront of. I keep in mind watching a video of you doing digital rendering of video in the 80s. And so I needed to know what the longer term holds on your video and music mixtures.
TR: Nicely, I’ve finished loads of video for the current show that we’re touring.
NI: Oh, awesome.
TR: Because it’s a mixture of the standard spring tour that I might do. However since I don’t have a document out, we’re kind of focusing on the e-book that was released in December. And that entails not simply enjoying the songs, however there’s additionally a number of archival material. And it’s primarily elements of the show the place the band virtually turns into a soundtrack to the video; in different words, the point of focus can be the video more than can be the actual stay efficiency. As a result of there’s a travel log, primarily, concerning the trip that I made all over the world. There’s kind of a style show video that exhibits all the totally different outfits that I’ve worn, and that kind of thing. So yeah, I proceed to do video, and truly, it’s grow to be a lot simpler than it was; that I’m capable of do the lion’s share of it simply on my iPad.
NI: Wow, that’s impressive.
TR: Nicely, yeah. The spectacular half is the fact that I can do it on the iPad.
NI: Yeah, simply as a one man act, I mean, that’s extremely cool. And it’s really your voice that’s being translated then, so it’s your visual message, which I feel is extraordinarily cool. On the know-how observe. So being the first like major artist to be commercially obtainable by way of download, what was the inspiration, like what acquired that as such an necessary issue so that you can have that obtainable?
TR: Properly I was attending a number of pc conventions, and issues like that, and symposia, and I was giving talks about certain stuff. And I acquired invited to at least one that was focusing particularly on kind of music and humanities, and computer systems. And had reached some extent here, in across the mid ‘90s, that unfortunately, everyone is now scrambling to monetize the internet. I think up until that point, it had been, essentially, a free forum of ideas and stuff. So I got the idea, since I didn’t have anything particularly that I needed to discuss, or I wasn’t hyping a product. I used to be just listening before I needed to do my speech, and it occurred to me that you might devise one thing that may exchange what a document company does; in that a document company, primarily, is a financial institution, in a method, they usually get cash from individuals who buy the data.
After which they provide it to you, but they often give it to you prematurely, before the document has bought. And I noticed, should you already had an viewers, and you went directly to that audience, and also you stated, okay, I provides you with a behind the scenes take a look at what I’m doing, and offer you issues that the typical public would not have access to, for those who pay me upfront, primarily, to make the document. And that was the idea of Patron principally replacing the document company, or taking them out of the method, and allowing the artists to go directly to their viewers to get funding for their tasks.
NI: It’s so fascinating, and particularly with the identify being Patron. I’m wondering with the service Patreon turning into so prevalent at present, in case you really feel as though there’s type of a similarity between the 2 concepts.
TR: Nicely, that was the essential concept, the entire concept was to build an surroundings that fans of artists would occupy. However that it will also be — it might be like an authoring setting, so everybody who was a member might even have a space that folks might go to, and you possibly can expose your work even in the event you didn’t have an viewers yet. You might construct an viewers using that setting. But I additionally discovered all the points that at the moment are plaguing YouTube and different comparable providers, dangerous actors within your personal system, privateness, and safety points, and all of that different stuff. In the long run, I didn’t have the assets to keep up. So that’s once I simply stopped supporting it.
NI: I can perceive it. I additionally had a music tech venture that had an analogous end result, but nowhere near as cool as Patronet, so undoubtedly can relate to that. So to return to music, with White Knight, there was — the main target appeared to be collaborations. I’m curious, what was the order during which that was decided? Did you determine that you simply needed to do an album of collaborations and then reach out to the totally different artists that participated? Or was it that you simply had this pool of artists that needed to work with you, and so that was the creation of the White Knightalbum.
TR: It was extra the previous than the latter. I needed to get into collaboration for a couple of causes. One is it’s truly a more regular solution to work these days; the music world is rife with collaboration, so I assumed, let’s give this a attempt. It was additionally, except for the artistic prospects, once you’re in a world where you need to primarily promote yourself, in a submit recording business world. Among the best methods to do it is to collaborate, as a result of every time you’re employed with somebody, you get uncovered to their viewers, they usually get uncovered to yours. So I feel apart from no matter musical successes White Knight may symbolize, it was the audience enlargement part that I was just as taken with, and that appeared to be going positive. So I’m going to continue to do collaborations, although I gained’t essentially base whole albums on them. It’s sort of the opposite situation we’re dealing with; the fact that viewers listening habits have changed so radically, that making an album is usually overkill, as a result of individuals purchase songs. And then sometimes, they purchase albums, but they don’t make the sort of high quality time to take heed to an entire album anymore. So that you’re type of losing — to a degree, it’s wasted effort, for some portion of audience.
NI: I can understand that, however I nonetheless really feel, no less than on a private degree, that the cohesive nature of an album is one thing that I personally actually respect, and [that] I feel as if you notably excel at. I imply, A Wizard, a True Star, which I had the pleasure of attending to see stay on the anniversary tour, by means of Liarsand White Knight. Simply the cohesiveness of the album, to me, it’s all the time been something that I actually respect. So if there’s any — simply thought that I might interject there; I feel that your followers still very a lot recognize it.
TR: Nicely, I’ve all the time been an album artist; it’s been easier for me to provide you with an overarching concept to information the writing course of. And I in all probability will proceed to make data that approach. It’s just that the best way that the music finds its approach into individuals’s ears might naturally have to vary; in different words, it goes again to one thing like before the ‘60s, when an album was exactly that, it was a collection of songs that had been previously released. So it’s attainable to report an album, however you don’t release it as an album, you launch a bunch of songs, after which ultimately, you release the album. And that may, I assume, ostensibly fulfill both sorts of listeners; those that are just taking issues a track at a time, and that dwindling viewers who makes time to take a seat down and take heed to an entire album.
NI: That is sensible, and I feel that there’s undoubtedly a spot for each. So considering of just particular person tracks. One question I had for you was, for the varied places that you simply’ve had synchronized placements, is there one which was a favourite for you? That you simply have been like oh, it really blends properly with my music, or you just notably just like the film or TV present that you simply have been being synced in?
TR: Nicely, I don’t give it some thought an excessive amount of. It’s not like I — whenever you’re doing sync licenses and things like that, that’s sort of found money, so that you don’t mettle with it that much. There are in all probability circumstances through which I wouldn’t need the music to be used, but otherwise, if someone thinks that it’s particularly applicable, I’m not going to be valuable about it. It nonetheless bothers me to listen to Beatles songs used in commercials, nevertheless it’s an entire different viewers now; a whole lot of occasions they’re promoting products to people who weren’t even born when The Beatles have been massive. In order that they don’t really feel the same means about it. And certain individuals don’t really feel the same method about my stuff. I do should say that it’s by no means been a large part of my revenue, apart from one instance, and that was “Bang The Drum All Day.” And particularly when it turned the theme track for Carnival Cruise Strains, I virtually might have retired on that. But then they began sinking all these boats, they usually had to change their image. So ready for someone else to return alongside to nab that spot.
NI: Okay, properly thanks so much on your time, Todd. I actually do respect getting this opportunity to talk with with one of the necessary figures in rock n’ roll history.
TR: Thanks very much. I wish we had extra time, however it’s a type of things.